The Press-Telegram reports today that three groups have been denied access to march in Saturday’s 11th Annual Long Beach Veteran’s Day Parade. Those groups–Veterans For Peace, Iraq Veterans Against the War and Military Families Speak Out–were excluded from the parade because, organizers said, they did not “fit the spirit of the parade. The spirit being one of gratitude for what the veterans have done.” Really? These groups seem accutely aware of not only have what veterans have done but what they continue to do and propose showing them their gratitude by getting them the hell out of BlowedUpVille. Perhaps the organizers believe that by excluding the groups they are protecting parade goers from controversial views. But, as a just released CNN poll indicates, opposition to the war is now far and away the majority position. Sixty eight percent of Americans say they now oppose the war.

Tags: iraq, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Long Beach Veteran's Day Parade, Veteran's For Peace, veterans

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Clifford Knox 10 months ago 1 point
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Who are "the organizers" of the parade and where do they get their orders?
Our civil liberties are being totally restricted (is'nt this what our military is fighting for?) Long Beach is completely wrong in this decision. I hope the banned groups march anyway. What will you do, arrest them?
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Raoul Deming 9 months ago 1 point
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Don’t take my word for any of the information below unless you already know through your experience that it‘s true, or you verify it for yourself.

Google is a wonderful tools to educate yourself as to who these groups really are ESPECIALLY IF YOU READ THEIR OWN WEBSITES.

Iraq Veterans Against the War are mentored by and modeled after the Vietnam Veterans Against the War who smeared their own generation of veterans via a lie called the “Winter Soldier Investigation”. That was 109 “interviews” that were compiled to make a book and a movie documenting wide spread war crimes that they claimed every soldier serving participated in or covered up.

A book called “Stolen Valor” examined the records of those “veterans” and found many were phony soldiers that never served. Others served, but never in Vietnam. Others that served in Vietnam were shown to be liars.

What did they have in common? They lied about their fellow Vietnam veterans and they were members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War. They are the primary cause of labeling the veterans of that era “baby killers”.

They are so reviled that they hide their association with VVAW and call themselves “Veterans For Peace”. Elliot Adams, David Cline, etc leading VFP figures are VVAW leaders. Do the math, VFP=VVAW with a few wannabes who missed the 60’s thrown in.

MFSO? What a joke. Their name was cynically and deliberately chosen to steal the goodwill, respect and gratitude the public feels for our troops and use it for their purposes. MFSO’s leaders, radicals Charlie Richardson and Nancy Lessin both told a conference of “anti-war” (really anti-America) leaders that the left had no credibility, so they needed to have military families and better yet military members front their cause.

There’s a lot of ways I can prove that MFSO is NOT the kind of military family you think of when someone says, “military” families. But the best example is 100 members of MFSO at Walter Reed Army hospital PROTESTING!

Not only were they protesting at Walter Reed, don’t let them BS you about how they care. Those people put FUNERAL WREATHS in front of the Walter Reed sign and out of the 100 MFSO members, not one carried an America flag or had a American flag pin on.

MFSO and VFP continues to sponsor a two hour protest every Friday night at Walter Reed Army Hospital. Let me tell you what I heard from three wounded Soldiers about what they thought of MFSO and their “Enlist Here and Die For Halliburton” and “Maimed For A Lie” signs as those wounded laid on a stretcher and looked out of the ambulance bus at MFSO. All three, who do not know each other, said the EXACT same thing, “I don’t need this S**T.”

Thank God Long Beach stood up for our veterans and keep these hate groups out of the parade.

Also, David Cline (VVAW) is the person who brought together these fake patriotic sounding groups, IVAW, VFP and MFSO. When you look at the incestuous leadership of these groups, you’ll see it’s a Potamkin Village.

Again, I recommend that you Google these “peace groups” as they are forming new front groups all the time, but it’s the usual suspects in charge.

However, if you’re looking for a good deal on a Che shirt, go to the biggest peace group, internationalanswer.org. ANSWER is the front group for the Party for Socialism and Liberation, pslweb.org.

IVAW, VFP and MFSO gladly allow themselves to be used. All have been the lead group in ANSWER marches.

And ANSWER has handed out a flyer that asks the “Anti-war movement” to give the “resistance” in Iraq “unconditional support”. Unconditional is just that “unconditional”. They don’t ask the other side to stop. And when they kill American troops, they you’re supposed to support that too. UNCONDITIONALLY.

Google “Counter-revolution & Resistance In Iraq” and read the last paragraph.

IVAW’s Chairman, Camilo Mejia, was on DemocracyNow.org on August 27th and during the interview revealed that he was born in Nicaragua, that his parents were big shots in the Sandinista revolution and that he’s a Marxist Sandinista too. Don’t believe me on that, hit the library and read Chapter One of his book. And oh yeah, Mejia skipped out on his service and did time in jail for that. This guy is who IVAW elected as their leader.

Number Two at IVAW is a guy who got thrown out of the USMC and told, “Don’t Come Back”. Adam Kokesh bought a Saturday Night Special from an Iraqi policeman. That he was in Civil Affairs and there to teach and establish the rule of law, well….

You’re told what you can and can not bring back from deployment and weapons are a BIG career ending no-no.

So he brings it back and takes it on campus and it’s stolen from his vehicle. Campus Police investigate and he’s facing three felonies, which get plea bargained to disturbing the peace.

Sorry that I don’t have a very reliable source on that, as I’m just reporting what Adam Kokesh told RadarOnLine in an interview.

Again, Google is a great way to raise your consciouness of these groups.

The most important point. Military Families Speak Out, Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War are all involved in the attempt to smear this generation of military serving, the way their Vietnam Veterans Against the War smeared the 60s veterans.

Like “Winter Soldier”, there is a “documentary” in the works called “Collateral Damage”.

Military Families Speak Out, Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War are the bulk of the 50 interviews in “Collateral Damage”.

And the fact that the daughter of convicted terrorist supporter Sami al-Arian is involved, well that’s just a bonus.

Another reason to doubt IVAW. Jesse Macbeth was a member of IVAW. MacBeth was a phony Soldier. He never made it past recruit. Yet he marched with IVAW and even carried their banner. MacBeth lied. MacBeth said that his unit laid in wait at a mosque until the worshiperss were in prayers, slaughtered them, burned their bodies and hung the bodies from the rafters. And don’t let IVAW BS that MacBeth wasn’t a member. IVAW staffer Braxton was able to respond to inquiries and provide investigative journalists MacBeth’s discharge form. Jesse MacBeth was given a trial and convicted on his phony soldier claims.

There is another IVAW member who claims war crimes, but believe it ofr not a reporter embedded in the IVAW’s members unit came to the defense of the troops and disputed the IVAW claims.

IVAW and VFP are both endorsers of the World Tribunal on Iraq. Basically the Hate America crowd, here and abroad, held a series of intenational show trials with America and our military in the dock. IVAW’s Tim Goodrich testified to Army war crimes according to their reports. In the end, America was found guilty and they issued a “declaration” which among other things declared that the armed resistance is entitled to “certain acts of desperation” against the brutal occupier and that such acts were legitimate and justified under the UN Charter and international law. If it’s not clear what are “certain acts of desperation” by the “resistance”, search YouTube.com for “Iraq resistance” and “Iraqi resistance” and you see clearly that it is our troops getting killed. What Veterans’ “peace group” endorses such madness in the name of peace?

Bottom line, these people ARE anti-American. They are Vietnam protest re-enactors on a grand scale. And like the Vietnam era protesters who helped form and now guide them, it’s not enough for them that the war is wrong, it’s not enough for them that America is wrong, the troops have to be wrong too.

Any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
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