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		<title>By: Sam Lowry</title>
		<link>http://thedistrictweekly.com/2008/print/news/this-is-old-long-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-14120</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Lowry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Hankla&#039;s actions speak for themselves. There&#039;s more than one definition of &quot;wrong&quot;, and if his actions were outside of any of those definitions, then why the withdrawal?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look at the big picture . . . The Pike, the aquarium bond debt, the art museum bond debt, the Sea Fest deficit, etc . . . . how many albatrosses and fleecings  have been put upon us from this style of backroom negotiation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Hankla&#39;s actions speak for themselves. There&#39;s more than one definition of &#8220;wrong&#8221;, and if his actions were outside of any of those definitions, then why the withdrawal?</p>
<p>Look at the big picture . . . The Pike, the aquarium bond debt, the art museum bond debt, the Sea Fest deficit, etc . . . . how many albatrosses and fleecings  have been put upon us from this style of backroom negotiation?</p>
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		<title>By: John_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>John_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam: Again, If Hankla&#039;s done nothing wrong, why would he need to offer a &#039;defense&#039;, robust or otherwise? And exactly how was he &#039;outed&#039;?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is it &#039;outing&#039; someone to report that they are doing their job? Because none of the facts in this story indicate that Hankla did otherwise. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As asked before: What if Hankla was simply carrying our the requirement of his appointed position as mandated by our own City Charter?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If so, how is that &#039;getting his hand caught&#039; in anything?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The entire premise of this story and comments like yours is that somebody did something wrong. Maybe they did and maybe they didn&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why must we assume, as this story does, some sinister motivation?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would DeLong or Hankla have personally benefited somehow from having the Johnson Study researched separately? If so I don&#039;t see any evidence of that reported here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Had the approaches recommended in the Johnson Study proven desirable, would either DeLong or Hankla have personally benefited from seeing them carried out? If so, nothing in this story says so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Phrases such as &quot;...conclusions that would cramp (Hankla&#039;s) expansion plans for the Port of Long Beach&quot; tend to intimate that Hankla&#039;s not supposed to entertain plans for the Port&#039;s expansion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But the Port is *mandated* to expand and it&#039;s part of Hankla&#039;s job, and that of his colleagues, to *facilitate* that expansion. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So DeLong learns of a study that could help him better serve some of his constituents (i.e do his job) and calls Hankla to tell him about it because the same Study could help him (Hankla) carry out his mandate to expand the Port (i.e. HIS job).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s pretty much the gist of it yes? And, if so, isn&#039;t that what we pay them both to do?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some of DeLong&#039;s colleagues became annoyed because they interpreted this as somehow undermining their own efforts in the same direction.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fine...toes were trounced upon. But does that fact make what either Hankla or DeLong did ‘wrong’? Or simply unpalatable in the eyes of one or two others? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It just seems to me that a little more balance is needed in a story that is posted under &#039;news&#039; rather than, say &#039;features&#039; or &#039;columns&#039; or ‘staff blogs’.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam: Again, If Hankla&#39;s done nothing wrong, why would he need to offer a &#39;defense&#39;, robust or otherwise? And exactly how was he &#39;outed&#39;?</p>
<p>Is it &#39;outing&#39; someone to report that they are doing their job? Because none of the facts in this story indicate that Hankla did otherwise. </p>
<p>As asked before: What if Hankla was simply carrying our the requirement of his appointed position as mandated by our own City Charter?</p>
<p>If so, how is that &#39;getting his hand caught&#39; in anything?</p>
<p>The entire premise of this story and comments like yours is that somebody did something wrong. Maybe they did and maybe they didn&#39;t.</p>
<p>Why must we assume, as this story does, some sinister motivation?</p>
<p>Would DeLong or Hankla have personally benefited somehow from having the Johnson Study researched separately? If so I don&#39;t see any evidence of that reported here.</p>
<p>Had the approaches recommended in the Johnson Study proven desirable, would either DeLong or Hankla have personally benefited from seeing them carried out? If so, nothing in this story says so.</p>
<p>Phrases such as &#8220;&#8230;conclusions that would cramp (Hankla&#39;s) expansion plans for the Port of Long Beach&#8221; tend to intimate that Hankla&#39;s not supposed to entertain plans for the Port&#39;s expansion.</p>
<p>But the Port is *mandated* to expand and it&#39;s part of Hankla&#39;s job, and that of his colleagues, to *facilitate* that expansion. </p>
<p>So DeLong learns of a study that could help him better serve some of his constituents (i.e do his job) and calls Hankla to tell him about it because the same Study could help him (Hankla) carry out his mandate to expand the Port (i.e. HIS job).</p>
<p>That&#39;s pretty much the gist of it yes? And, if so, isn&#39;t that what we pay them both to do?</p>
<p>Some of DeLong&#39;s colleagues became annoyed because they interpreted this as somehow undermining their own efforts in the same direction.</p>
<p>Fine&#8230;toes were trounced upon. But does that fact make what either Hankla or DeLong did ‘wrong’? Or simply unpalatable in the eyes of one or two others? </p>
<p>It just seems to me that a little more balance is needed in a story that is posted under &#39;news&#39; rather than, say &#39;features&#39; or &#39;columns&#39; or ‘staff blogs’.</p>
<p>That&#39;s all I&#39;m saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wrongbeachJohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>wrongbeachJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and thank you Will, Dave, Theo, Jenny and all the rest. This article shows EXACTLY why the DW is needed. I&#039;d win the lottery before the press-telerag would ever print something important like this (and I don&#039;t buy lottery tickets).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and thank you Will, Dave, Theo, Jenny and all the rest. This article shows EXACTLY why the DW is needed. I&#39;d win the lottery before the press-telerag would ever print something important like this (and I don&#39;t buy lottery tickets).</p>
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		<title>By: wrongbeachJohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>wrongbeachJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hankla shouldn&#039;t be too worried about the breakwater, he&#039;s old, could easily retire, and last I knew just rented his house on the peninsula. &lt;br&gt;What a douche-bag.&lt;br&gt;Mike Ruehle is spot-on about Delong-the other douche-bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hankla shouldn&#39;t be too worried about the breakwater, he&#39;s old, could easily retire, and last I knew just rented his house on the peninsula. <br />What a douche-bag.<br />Mike Ruehle is spot-on about Delong-the other douche-bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Lowry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Lowry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what, John? All of this would have a lot less stink to it if Hankla would have offered a robust defense of his stance after Dave published this story. Instead, Hankla, &quot;outed&quot;, decides to take his toys and go play elsewhere. I&#039;ve seen him do this before.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look at the bigger picture . . . this is just one deal where a long-time Long Beach power player got caught with his hand in the influence jar. All Dave did was put a light on it. Can you imagine how many other such deals happen here all the time that DON&#039;T get caught?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what, John? All of this would have a lot less stink to it if Hankla would have offered a robust defense of his stance after Dave published this story. Instead, Hankla, &#8220;outed&#8221;, decides to take his toys and go play elsewhere. I&#39;ve seen him do this before.</p>
<p>Look at the bigger picture . . . this is just one deal where a long-time Long Beach power player got caught with his hand in the influence jar. All Dave did was put a light on it. Can you imagine how many other such deals happen here all the time that DON&#39;T get caught?</p>
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		<title>By: Gordana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we should be grateful for is the fact that the DW is now part of the &#039;new&#039; Long Beach and shining a light on these issues.  Our politicians and public servants should realize that folks like Dave Wielenga, Jenny Stockdale and others at the DW are paying attention and following this story (and others) in a way that didn&#039;t happen in the &#039;old&#039; Long Beach.  This town has changed BECAUSE of the DW&#039;s coverage of these stories.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we should be grateful for is the fact that the DW is now part of the &#39;new&#39; Long Beach and shining a light on these issues.  Our politicians and public servants should realize that folks like Dave Wielenga, Jenny Stockdale and others at the DW are paying attention and following this story (and others) in a way that didn&#39;t happen in the &#39;old&#39; Long Beach.  This town has changed BECAUSE of the DW&#39;s coverage of these stories.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: John_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>John_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dave: The operative term was to ‘play’ devil’s advocate. I was simpy trying to assume that role in furtherence of the discussion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I apologize if I misinterpreted the tone of your response. I sometimes lapse into that error when others attribute comments to me that I never made (as you did) and when others encourage me to ‘celebrate’ a situation that I never indicated I was happy about (as you also did).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wasn’t ‘making a case’ for anything, least of all anyone’s innocence, because I hadn’t (and still haven’t) developed an opinion that anyone was guilty of anything...other than doing their job, that is. As I mentioned, in my 2nd posting: “…I don’t feel I have enough information, yet, to make that call.” All I was attempting to do was offer an alternative interpretation and then provide information that might tend to support that interpretation, were one inclined to adopt it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That your story was, “suggesting otherwise” seems quite clear, however.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If our stories are paintings, Dave, then our words are the paints we use and the manner in which we apply our words are the brushes. I have found you to be a very adept ‘painter’ of stories. The paints and brushes you selected for THIS story created a painting (at least for me) that strongly suggested that both Hankla and DeLong were guilty of some sort of misfeasance. When you employ phrases like: “…might be angling to undermine…”, and “…government run by invisible strings, misdirection stunts, knowing winks and in-secret handshakes” the sort of picture you’re painting seems obvious even to an admittedly novice art appreciator like myself.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for your comment that “Hankla did more than that”: What precisely did he do that was not within his purview to do? As demonstrated, the Charter gives him and his colleagues the authority to do what you’ve reported that he did. They do, in fact, do such things (and far more) all the time in the course and scope of their positions. When the Charter employs phrases like: “…exclusive control and management…” and “…exclusive control and duty…” that seems to me to be pretty clear. Hankla and his colleagues have the authority, the staff and the budget to manage the Harbor District as they deem to be in the best interests of not only the City but the State and nation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No doubt that’s why Hankla has now “dropped his pursuit of a separate breakwater study”…because he decided it was in the best interests of all concerned to do so. We can only guess at this point, however, because no one has asked Hankla, himself, the question.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Seems simple enough to me and not nearly as sinister a situation as you seem to intimate that it is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave, you and everyone else at DW are very good at encouraging dialog...at stimulating discussion. I was just trying to play along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dave: The operative term was to ‘play’ devil’s advocate. I was simpy trying to assume that role in furtherence of the discussion.</p>
<p>I apologize if I misinterpreted the tone of your response. I sometimes lapse into that error when others attribute comments to me that I never made (as you did) and when others encourage me to ‘celebrate’ a situation that I never indicated I was happy about (as you also did).</p>
<p>I wasn’t ‘making a case’ for anything, least of all anyone’s innocence, because I hadn’t (and still haven’t) developed an opinion that anyone was guilty of anything&#8230;other than doing their job, that is. As I mentioned, in my 2nd posting: “…I don’t feel I have enough information, yet, to make that call.” All I was attempting to do was offer an alternative interpretation and then provide information that might tend to support that interpretation, were one inclined to adopt it.</p>
<p>That your story was, “suggesting otherwise” seems quite clear, however.</p>
<p>If our stories are paintings, Dave, then our words are the paints we use and the manner in which we apply our words are the brushes. I have found you to be a very adept ‘painter’ of stories. The paints and brushes you selected for THIS story created a painting (at least for me) that strongly suggested that both Hankla and DeLong were guilty of some sort of misfeasance. When you employ phrases like: “…might be angling to undermine…”, and “…government run by invisible strings, misdirection stunts, knowing winks and in-secret handshakes” the sort of picture you’re painting seems obvious even to an admittedly novice art appreciator like myself.</p>
<p>As for your comment that “Hankla did more than that”: What precisely did he do that was not within his purview to do? As demonstrated, the Charter gives him and his colleagues the authority to do what you’ve reported that he did. They do, in fact, do such things (and far more) all the time in the course and scope of their positions. When the Charter employs phrases like: “…exclusive control and management…” and “…exclusive control and duty…” that seems to me to be pretty clear. Hankla and his colleagues have the authority, the staff and the budget to manage the Harbor District as they deem to be in the best interests of not only the City but the State and nation.</p>
<p>No doubt that’s why Hankla has now “dropped his pursuit of a separate breakwater study”…because he decided it was in the best interests of all concerned to do so. We can only guess at this point, however, because no one has asked Hankla, himself, the question.</p>
<p>Seems simple enough to me and not nearly as sinister a situation as you seem to intimate that it is.</p>
<p>Dave, you and everyone else at DW are very good at encouraging dialog&#8230;at stimulating discussion. I was just trying to play along.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Wielenga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Wielenga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John, I wasn&#039;t feeling defensive when I responded,but you were admittedly playing the DEVIL&#039;S advocate. I kind of think you WERE making a case for the  innocence of Hankla and DeLong, which seems unnecessary unless you thought the story was suggesting otherwise. I was simply pointing out how Long Beach government was working in this situation--and that, contrary to the sense that it&#039;s different than the way it used to work, maybe it&#039;s often exactly the same. I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with council members and harbor commissioners and whomever talking among one another. Of course, Hankla did more than that....but, as my update reports, he&#039;s not doing it any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John, I wasn&#39;t feeling defensive when I responded,but you were admittedly playing the DEVIL&#39;S advocate. I kind of think you WERE making a case for the  innocence of Hankla and DeLong, which seems unnecessary unless you thought the story was suggesting otherwise. I was simply pointing out how Long Beach government was working in this situation&#8211;and that, contrary to the sense that it&#39;s different than the way it used to work, maybe it&#39;s often exactly the same. I don&#39;t think there is anything wrong with council members and harbor commissioners and whomever talking among one another. Of course, Hankla did more than that&#8230;.but, as my update reports, he&#39;s not doing it any more.</p>
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		<title>By: John_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>John_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, you seem a little defensive.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I neither alleged nor intimated that your story reported legal wrong-doing. I simply opined that neither ethical nor legal wrong-doing appears to have occurred here. Nor did I say that your study said that the Johnson study was not valuable. I simply asked whether it could be argued that Hankla was under no obligation to advise the Council of his activities, preliminary or otherwise, in researching the Johnson report.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I very clearly understood what your report was about, Dave. This is why I said: “I understand that the way this is being handled doesn’t seem, to you, to pass the smell test…”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I’m not prepared, yet, to judge whether, as you put it, “the minimums” of “governmental…transparency” were reached in this situation. I don’t feel I have enough information, yet, to make that call. As to “governmental process” however, I am more than comfortable with any Councilmember directly contacting any other elected or appointed city official and saying something like: “Hey, there’s a very interesting study in existence, authored by this guy named Johnson, which might meet our needs here. Take a look at it and let me know what you think!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That type of informal communication between our elected and appointed officials happens day by day and hour by hour. A lot less of our business would get done if it didn’t!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nor am I saying that this situation represents the “epitome” of anything, let alone what our local government “should be”. Nor do I have any desire to celebrate anything about this topic other than the fact that people (like us) continue to discuss and debate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, you seem a little defensive.</p>
<p>I neither alleged nor intimated that your story reported legal wrong-doing. I simply opined that neither ethical nor legal wrong-doing appears to have occurred here. Nor did I say that your study said that the Johnson study was not valuable. I simply asked whether it could be argued that Hankla was under no obligation to advise the Council of his activities, preliminary or otherwise, in researching the Johnson report.</p>
<p>I very clearly understood what your report was about, Dave. This is why I said: “I understand that the way this is being handled doesn’t seem, to you, to pass the smell test…”</p>
<p>I’m not prepared, yet, to judge whether, as you put it, “the minimums” of “governmental…transparency” were reached in this situation. I don’t feel I have enough information, yet, to make that call. As to “governmental process” however, I am more than comfortable with any Councilmember directly contacting any other elected or appointed city official and saying something like: “Hey, there’s a very interesting study in existence, authored by this guy named Johnson, which might meet our needs here. Take a look at it and let me know what you think!</p>
<p>That type of informal communication between our elected and appointed officials happens day by day and hour by hour. A lot less of our business would get done if it didn’t!</p>
<p>Nor am I saying that this situation represents the “epitome” of anything, let alone what our local government “should be”. Nor do I have any desire to celebrate anything about this topic other than the fact that people (like us) continue to discuss and debate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Wielenga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Wielenga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My story did not report legal wrongdoing. Neither did it say that Bud Johnson&#039;s study is not valuable, nor possibly even the best option---that&#039;s why it is being included in the Moffat &amp; Nichol study (and why it was before either Hankla or DeLong heard about it). My report was about governmental process and transparency, and if the minimums for those were reached, and if you consider that to be the epitome of what your local government should be, then by all means celebrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My story did not report legal wrongdoing. Neither did it say that Bud Johnson&#39;s study is not valuable, nor possibly even the best option&#8212;that&#39;s why it is being included in the Moffat &#038; Nichol study (and why it was before either Hankla or DeLong heard about it). My report was about governmental process and transparency, and if the minimums for those were reached, and if you consider that to be the epitome of what your local government should be, then by all means celebrate.</p>
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